1000x Podcast
July 21, 2025

Where Are We In The Cycle? | Willy Woo

On-chain analyst Willy Woo joins the show to dissect the current crypto cycle, arguing that while we're in the late stages, the most parabolic moves may still be ahead. He leverages proprietary liquidity models from his partnership with Swissblock to forecast capital rotations and potential cycle tops.

The Late-Stage Bull Run

  • "We are seeing liquidity coming back into the market. It's the late stage of a bull market, so that's when things rally the hardest."
  • "The majority of the gains on Bitcoin through a cycle happen over like two weeks. You don't want to be sidelined for those 14 days."
  • Woo’s models indicate we are in the late phase of the bull market. This stage is defined by extreme volatility but also historically delivers the most explosive, parabolic price moves.
  • A key risk model flashed a "late stage" warning in January (of the podcast's timeline), a signal that in past cycles preceded the top by 4 to 11 months.
  • The introduction of derivatives ("paper Bitcoin") has structurally changed the market, leading to more rounded tops like in 2021, compared to the sharp, spot-driven blow-offs of 2017.

Following the Money: Liquidity & Capital Flows

  • "When you print more money, more of it flows, and we're really tracking the flow of that capital going into the different markets. And each market is really just a bucket... storing capital."
  • Bitcoin’s price is highly sensitive to global liquidity, often acting as a lagged version of the M2 money supply. The key is to track capital flows between asset "buckets" like Bitcoin, alts, and real estate.
  • A proprietary metric, "Bitcoin Network Flows," measures the daily rate of capital entering the network. While flows are strong, they haven't reached the ~$3 billion/day level that Woo would consider a peak risk signal.
  • The recent 80,000 BTC movement (conjectured to be Roger Ver's) is distorting short-term on-chain indicators. Whether this supply hits the open market or is absorbed elsewhere is a major uncertainty.

The Altcoin Rotation Has Begun

  • "Are we in an ETH cycle? Yes we are… We really want to see a cascade of going ETH, then big caps, midcaps, and low caps. That's the signature for a proper bull run."
  • Swissblock's models, which track volatility structures to measure capital flow, signaled a rotation from Bitcoin to Ethereum began around July 10th.
  • A full-blown alt-season is confirmed by a classic cascade: capital moving from Bitcoin to Ethereum, then to large caps, mid-caps, and finally low-cap alts.
  • While the ETH move has started, large caps have not yet followed suit in a major way. However, an "alt impulse" indicator shows significant buying pressure building across the top 100 altcoins, suggesting a broader run is probable.

Key Takeaways:

  • We are in a high-risk, high-reward phase where liquidity is the primary driver. The cycle's ultimate peak remains uncertain and heavily dependent on macro-economic policy.
  • Brace for the Parabola. This is the late-stage bull market, where the most significant gains historically occur in short, violent bursts. Being out of the market means risking missing the entire cycle's payoff.
  • Rotation Is in Motion. Capital has started flowing from Bitcoin to Ethereum. The next domino to watch for is a pop in large-cap alts, which would confirm a full-blown alt season is underway.
  • The Macro Variable. The cycle top depends entirely on global liquidity. A surprise economic downturn could cut the rally short (targeting a $140k-$160k BTC peak), but sustained money printing by governments could extend the cycle and fuel a much higher blow-off top.

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This episode reveals why we're in the most volatile phase of a late-stage bull market, as on-chain analyst Willy Woo unpacks proprietary liquidity models to signal when the next major crypto rally—and potential cycle top—could occur.

Current Market State: A Late-Stage Bull Rally

  • Key Insight: The market is highly sensitive to new capital injections. Even small amounts of additional liquidity can trigger wild, upward price movements.
  • Willy Woo's Stance: He expresses confidence that the recent breakout is not a "rug pull" or a cycle top, citing underlying liquidity dynamics that support continued momentum.
  • Quote: "It's late stage of a bull market. So that's when things rally the hardest. The market gets very, very volatile... when there's a little injection of additional liquidity, things can run really wild. And so that's the phase we're in right now."

Introducing Swissblock: The Data-Driven Trading Powerhouse

  • Swissblock's Expertise: The firm specializes in tracking liquidity flows across the entire crypto ecosystem, using sophisticated models to inform their medium-term swing trading strategies.
  • Hawkeye Product: This institutional-grade product provides a holistic view of ecosystem-wide liquidity, helping large firms identify capital rotations between different asset classes.
  • Strategic Implication: The conversation highlights the value of moving beyond single-asset on-chain metrics to a more comprehensive, ecosystem-wide liquidity analysis for identifying market trends.

Defining Liquidity: From Order Books to Macro Capital Flows

  • Classical Liquidity: Refers to the thickness of order books on an exchange, determining how much an asset can be bought or sold without significantly moving its price.
  • Macro Liquidity (Capital Flows): This is the concept Willy focuses on, tracking the movement of capital into and between different asset "buckets" like Bitcoin, Ethereum, altcoins, and even real estate. This is closely tied to global money supply metrics like M2, which measures the total amount of currency in circulation.
  • Jonah's Observation: The host, Jonah, notes that Bitcoin's price has historically been a lagged version of M2, with BTC rallies often following surges in global fiat liquidity.

Capital Rotation: Is an Altcoin Supercycle Beginning?

  • Current Signal: As of early July, the model signaled a rotation from a Bitcoin-led market to an Ethereum-led one.
  • Bull Run Signature: A classic bull run follows a specific pattern: capital flows from Bitcoin -> Ethereum -> Large-Caps -> Mid-Caps -> Low-Caps.
  • Actionable Insight: The model indicates that while the ETH-led move has begun, the broader altcoin season has not yet gone "full bore." An "alt impulse" signal suggests that liquidity is now moving into the top 100 altcoins, presenting a favorable risk-reward setup for rotating into alts.

The Impact of Derivatives on Market Cycles

  • Pre-2017 Cycles: Without derivatives, massive buy demand for a scarce asset like Bitcoin led to exponential, blow-off tops as there was no easy way to short the market.
  • Post-2017 Cycles: The introduction of derivatives allows traders with fiat capital to short Bitcoin, quenching buy-side demand and creating more rounded, prolonged tops similar to traditional markets. The 2021 double-top is a prime example of this dynamic.
  • Strategic Consideration: Investors should no longer expect the sharp, parabolic blow-off tops of early cycles. Tops are now more likely to be drawn-out processes, influenced heavily by derivatives market activity.

Navigating a Late-Stage Bull Market

  • Willy Woo's Statistic: "The majority of the gains on Bitcoin through a cycle happen over like two weeks... you don't want to be sidelined for those 14 days."
  • The Challenge of Timing: This extreme concentration of returns makes market timing exceptionally difficult and reinforces the "hodl" (hold on for dear life) strategy for many.
  • Price Targets: Willy is cautious about specific price targets, stating they are highly unstable and dependent on how long global liquidity remains favorable. He suggests a conservative range of $140k-$160k if a macro downturn occurs soon, but much higher if the cycle extends into next year.

The Macro Debate: Will Politicians Avert a Crisis?

  • Jonah's Thesis: No politician in a major Western economy has the mandate to allow a market crash. Any significant financial crisis will likely be met with massive fiscal and monetary stimulus, which is ultimately bullish for Bitcoin.
  • Willy's Counterpoint: Swissblock's chief economist, Henrik, believes a business cycle downturn is inevitable. Bitcoin has never experienced a proper, prolonged downturn (like 2008), making its reaction uncertain.
  • Investor Takeaway: The future of this bull cycle is heavily tied to the global macro environment. Investors must weigh the probability of a stimulus-fueled continuation against the risk of a liquidity-draining economic contraction.

Deep Dive: Willy Woo's Proprietary Risk Models

  • Macro Cycle Risk Model: This model provides a high-level signal of market risk. It flashed "high risk" in January 2025, indicating the start of the late-stage, volatile phase of the bull run. Historically, this signal has appeared 4-11 months before a cycle top.
  • Bitcoin Network Flows: This is Willy's preferred short-term indicator. It measures the daily rate of capital flowing into the Bitcoin network, derived from changes in the Realized Cap (the aggregate cost basis of all Bitcoins).
    • Key Insight: High inflows are a bearish short-term signal, as they are unsustainable and a decrease in flow can cause the price to drop. The best setups occur when flows are low and poised to increase.
    • Current Reading: The indicator is currently high, suggesting a risk of a short-term pullback.

The Mystery of the 80,000 BTC Movement

  • The Situation: The timing is suspicious, coinciding with Ver's house arrest over alleged unpaid taxes. Of the 80,000 BTC, only 6,000 have reportedly moved to exchanges like Binance and Bybit.
  • Impact on Indicators: This massive, anomalous transaction is distorting on-chain flow metrics, making them temporarily unreliable.
  • OTC Desk Mechanics: Jonah, drawing on his experience running an OTC (Over-The-Counter) desk, explains that a firm like Galaxy would typically not hold such massive risk. They would either have a pre-arranged buyer, be acting as a broker, or be custodying the assets for a third party, possibly law enforcement.
  • Market Implication: The ultimate fate of these coins is a major unknown. If they are sold on the open market, it could create significant headwinds. If they are seized and held by the US government, it could be bullish.

Conclusion: Navigating the Final Parabola

  • The conversation concludes that while short-term indicators suggest pullback risk, the broader market structure points to a final, parabolic rally. The key to outperformance will be correctly positioning for this move, particularly in rotating from Bitcoin to high-beta altcoins at the right time.

Final Takeaway

  • The market is in a late-stage bull run where most gains occur. Investors should use capital flow indicators to manage risk and time rotations into alts, but maintain conviction to capture the final, explosive phase of the cycle before a potential macro downturn shifts the landscape.

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