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November 5, 2025

Quadrillions: Unlocking Quadrillions | Don Wilson & Yuval Rooz

DRW founder Don Wilson and Digital Asset co-founder Yuval Rooz dive into the multi-year journey of building Canton, a privacy-first blockchain designed to bring the world’s largest financial institutions on-chain. This is the inside story of why institutional adoption hinges on solving privacy and why they chose a patient, compliance-first strategy over the frenzy of past bull cycles.

The Privacy Prerequisite for Institutions

  • "That's completely incompatible with institutional finance...if they had to broadcast to the world every time they started selling a big position in an equity, that would cause a lot of market impact."
  • "To me, privacy is saying I can still comply with all of the rules, but if you're not a party to that transaction, you don't need to know about it."
  • Institutional finance operates on confidentiality. The complete transparency of public blockchains is a non-starter for large firms, as broadcasting trades or collateral movements in real-time would reveal their strategies and cause adverse market impact.
  • Canton’s approach distinguishes privacy from anonymity. It enables sharing information on a "need-to-know basis," allowing regulated entities to comply with laws like the Bank Secrecy Act while shielding transaction details from the public, unlike ZK-based systems which often focus on pure anonymity.

A Patient, Decade-Long Strategy

  • "We could have made a lot of money selling a token in 2020. And we would have immediately lost every single institution that was doing stuff on the chain."
  • Canton's development began with a whitepaper in 2016, but the team deliberately waited to launch publicly. The goal was to build a robust, compliant network that institutions would actually use, rather than capitalizing on short-term market hype.
  • This patient approach allowed the architecture to mature through multiple generations and for the team to learn from the tokenomic challenges faced by other public chains. It also built deep trust with partners who saw a commitment to long-term utility over a quick cash grab.

The Inevitable Convergence of Finance

  • "The rails of crypto are going to become the new rails, and those that don't embrace them are just going to get out of business because they will not be able to be competitive."
  • The future isn’t about crypto “eating” TradFi, but about a convergence where blockchain becomes the underlying settlement layer for all financial assets. Firms that leverage this technology for efficiency will outcompete those that don’t.
  • True convergence will be achieved when tokenized assets are native legal instruments, not just synthetic exposures. This means owning a tokenized Apple share grants you the same rights as a traditional shareholder, unlocking massive institutional and retail adoption. Don Wilson predicts most frequently traded instruments will be on-chain within five years.

Key Takeaways:

  • Bringing quadrillions of dollars of real-world assets on-chain requires rebuilding trust and infrastructure from the ground up. This isn't a technological sprint but a marathon of institutional relationship-building, regulatory compliance, and patient, deliberate execution.
  • Privacy Isn't a Feature; It's the Foundation. For institutions, confidentiality is non-negotiable. Any network aiming to attract serious capital must offer privacy that allows for compliance without broadcasting every move to the world.
  • Real Adoption Is a Long Game. Chasing bull market hype is a losing strategy for enterprise adoption. Canton’s success with partners like Goldman Sachs, DTCC, and Citadel demonstrates the power of prioritizing utility and compliance over a premature token launch.
  • The Next Wave Is Tokenizing Everything. The goal is to move beyond crypto-native assets. The real prize is upgrading the rails for the world's existing financial system—equities, bonds, and treasuries—by making them digitally native, 24/7, and instantly settleable.

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This episode reveals the strategic playbook for merging traditional finance with crypto, detailing why privacy is the non-negotiable key to unlocking quadrillions in on-chain assets.

The Visionary Trader: Don Wilson's Long-Term Perspective

  • Don founded DRW in 1992, building his own risk software and option pricing models. This technological edge allowed the firm to provide liquidity more efficiently.
  • Today, DRW has over 2,000 employees and is described by Don not just as a trading firm but as a "markets innovation company."
  • Don’s long-term view is a recurring theme, framing his early and patient approach to cryptocurrency and blockchain technology.

DRW's Entry into Crypto and the Genesis of Digital Asset

  • The first thesis was that Bitcoin had a small chance of becoming "digital gold."
  • The second, more significant thesis was the potential to use blockchain technology to transact traditional financial instruments more efficiently.
  • This led to two key initiatives:
    • Cumberland: Launched in 2014 as DRW's cryptocurrency liquidity-providing arm.
    • Digital Asset: Also founded in 2014, with Yuval Rooz and Eric Saraniecki leaving DRW to build blockchain infrastructure for traditional financial markets.

The Original Mission: Solving Capital Inefficiency

  • The early vision focused on creating infrastructure to make capital deployment on-chain more efficient, starting with Bitcoin and expanding to other assets.
  • Don adds that the goal was to leverage the best of both worlds—the advantages of traditional finance and the innovations of crypto—to create superior market infrastructure.
  • This exploration revealed that the underlying public blockchain infrastructure was not suitable for this purpose, leading to the Canton whitepaper in 2016.

Why Build New Rails? The Critical Need for Privacy

  • Privacy vs. Anonymity: Yuval draws a sharp distinction.
    • Anonymity, often provided by technologies like Zero-Knowledge (ZK) proofs, aims to hide transaction details from everyone. Yuval compares this to cash, which is incompatible with regulated financial systems.
    • Privacy, as implemented in Canton, is about sharing information on a "need-to-know basis." Only the parties involved in a transaction (and potentially a regulator) can see the details, while the broader network cannot.
  • Don reinforces this, stating that broadcasting trades and positions in real-time is "completely incompatible with institutional finance." He confirms that the lack of privacy is the number one reason institutions have been hesitant to move on-chain.
  • Yuval states, "To me, privacy is saying I can still comply with all of the rules, but if you're not a party to that transaction, you don't need to know about it."

The Patient Strategy: Why Canton Took Eight Years to Launch

  • The primary goal was to create a blockchain that would actually be used by major financial players. This required two things: the right technology and a thoughtful, compliant approach.
  • Canton was initially launched as a private, permissioned chain to build a track record with institutions. Don notes that launching a token in 2020 would have been profitable but would have "immediately lost every single institution that was doing stuff on the chain."
  • The public, permissionless version of Canton launched in the summer of 2024 with a fair launch—no premine and zero tokens outstanding at genesis. This approach was designed to build long-term credibility.

The "Quadrillions" Coalition: A Landmark Fundraise

  • The round was co-led by DRW and Tradeweb, with participation from firms like BNP, DTCC, Goldman Sachs, Citadel, and Liberty, alongside crypto players like Paxos, Polychain, and Circle Ventures.
  • Don notes the significance of new TradFi names like Citadel joining the cap table, signaling a broad consensus on Canton's approach.
  • Yuval adds that new investors were surprised to learn about the real-world business applications already running on Canton, from collateral management with Broadridge to funding home equity lines of credit (HELOCs) with Figure.

The End Game: Tokenization and the Future of Market Structure

  • Tokenization is the process of creating a digital representation (a token) of a real-world asset on a blockchain, allowing it to be traded and managed with greater efficiency.
  • He argues that the ability to move assets like Treasuries, equities, and corporate bonds on-chain 24/7, settling transactions instantaneously against tokenized dollars, unlocks massive efficiencies and resilience.
  • The involvement of the DTCC (Depository Trust & Clearing Corporation)—the central infrastructure for settling nearly all securities transactions in the U.S.—is presented as a prerequisite for this transition.
  • The ultimate goal is to achieve true convergence, where holding a tokenized share of a company like Apple grants the holder the exact same legal rights as holding a traditional share.

Canton's Progress and the Focus on Utility

  • Key areas of focus include private stablecoin payments, 24/7 collateral mobility for trading, and onboarding high-quality real-world assets like Treasuries, private credit, and insurance products.
  • He reports that network activity, transaction throughput, and validator count are "5 to 10x ahead of schedule."
  • The network's tokenomics are designed to reward builders and participants, fostering organic growth and attracting both new founders and established DeFi protocols.

The Intersection of AI, Compute, and Crypto

  • Don shares his thesis that compute will become the world's largest commodity within the next decade, a view he detailed on the OddLots podcast.
  • He sees a natural overlap between the information-centric nature of crypto tokens and the growing demand for computational resources, creating a powerful interplay.
  • Yuval adds that AI is already being used by builders on Canton to verify the quality and accuracy of data before it is committed to the ledger, enhancing the reliability of the "single source of truth."

Final Thoughts on Market Structure and Prediction Markets

  • Circuit Breakers: Don expresses a strong view against circuit breakers in any market, including crypto, arguing they prevent price discovery and risk management. He believes the market will solve issues like oracle reliability and liquidation fairness through innovation, with the best platforms winning out.
  • Prediction Markets: As an early enthusiast, Don believes prediction markets are still in their "early innings." He notes that the transparency of current platforms like Polymarket is a barrier for institutional use, creating a clear opportunity for a privacy-enabled prediction market built on a network like Canton.

Conclusion

This episode underscores that institutional finance's entry into crypto is not a matter of if, but how. The conversation reveals that privacy on a need-to-know basis—not anonymity—is the critical feature for unlocking trillions in real-world assets. Investors should monitor privacy-centric networks as they represent the foundational layer for this convergence.

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