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December 17, 2025

“How We Can Eliminate Crime” | Ben Horowitz and Garrett Langley

Ben Horowitz and Garrett Langley (Flock Safety) dissect the complex problem of crime, arguing that a blend of advanced technology, strategic policy, and community engagement offers a path to safer cities and restored economic mobility. They challenge conventional wisdom, asserting that certainty of capture, not severity of punishment, is the ultimate deterrent.

The Policing Paradox: Stigma, Staffing, and Standards

  • "The only thing that's changed is the stigma attached to the job. And you can see that because if you look at the early retirement numbers, I mean, early retirement skyrocketed during both the social unrest and then COVID. And like they've never bounced back."
  • The Incentive Problem: Crime can offer 10x minimum wage, often without social stigma in certain communities, making it a viable "career path."
  • Cultural Erosion: A shift from "police as heroes" to "vilification" has decimated recruitment and accelerated early retirements. This cultural shift, not a demographic one, drives staffing shortages.
  • Lowered Standards: Desperate for personnel, some departments lower hiring standards, occasionally recruiting individuals with criminal backgrounds. This erodes public trust and increases misconduct.
  • A Novel Solution: A "Teach for America" model for law enforcement, offering student debt relief for 2-4 years of service, could attract college-educated talent and elevate the profession's status.

Tech as a Force Multiplier for Precision Policing

  • "If you don't have Flock, what happens? You get a call, there's a, you know, 1988 Toyota Corolla, uh, that was stolen... then a guy gets pulled over, not the right guy... Whereas if it's a Flock camera, you know that's the guy, that is the guy. And so now you're not sending in one police officer because you know it's the guy. You're sending in a team. You're going to apprehend them safely."
  • From Data to Intelligence: Cities now collect vast amounts of data from cameras, drones, and gunshot detection. The challenge is applying an AI layer to orchestrate this data into actionable intelligence.
  • Precision Reduces Risk: Technology like Flock's LPRs and drones allows police to identify suspects with high certainty. This reduces false arrests and dangerous, ambiguous encounters, shifting policing from subjective suspicion to objective evidence.
  • Privacy vs. Trust: Critics often raise privacy concerns, but government agencies already possess more invasive tools (e.g., cell phone dumps). Flock's public-space cameras are less intrusive and offer transparency features. The core issue is often a lack of trust in police, which technology can highlight but not fix alone.
  • Community Impact: Las Vegas, with its high murder clearance rate, demonstrates that technology, combined with community policing, builds trust and makes residents feel safer.

Policy & Community: Beyond Punishment to Prevention

  • "The best thing is to say, hey, look, if you commit crimes, you're going to get caught. And then that kind of changes the societal incentives and the culture and everything else."
  • Certainty, Not Severity: The most effective deterrent is the certainty of getting caught, not harsh punishment. This discourages crime as a viable career path.
  • Safety as a Foundation: A bedrock of safety is essential for economic mobility. Without it, communities cannot thrive, leading to "lost generations" and a loss of faith in the "American Dream."
  • Public-Private Partnerships: Cities face bureaucratic hurdles and fixed budgets for technology. Private funding from individuals or companies can provide marginal investments that dramatically transform police capabilities, as seen in Las Vegas and San Francisco.
  • Judicial Reform: Beyond policing, the judicial system needs reform. Speeding up trials with technology and offering alternative paths for non-violent, first-time offenders (like Vegas's "Hope for Prisoners" program) can reduce recidivism.
  • Organized Crime's Adaptation: Well-intentioned policies like decriminalizing minor offenses have inadvertently created opportunities for sophisticated organized crime to operate large-scale theft rings, using low-level criminals as proxies.

Key Takeaways:

  • The Future of Policing is Intelligent: Integrating AI, drones, and smart cameras creates a precise, accountable, and safer policing model for both officers and communities.
  • Invest in the "How": Builders and investors should focus on technologies that enhance certainty of capture, streamline judicial processes, and support public-private partnerships to modernize urban safety infrastructure.
  • Safety Fuels Mobility: Eliminating crime is not just about law enforcement; it's about restoring the fundamental safety required for economic mobility and a functional society.

Podcast Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR6g3zrk7eM

This episode dissects the systemic failures enabling crime and champions a technology-driven, intelligence-first approach to public safety, arguing for certain punishment over harsh sentencing.

The Policing Staffing Crisis and Cultural Erosion

  • Ben Horowitz and Garrett Langley identify a critical staffing shortage in law enforcement, exacerbated by a dramatic cultural shift. The "defund the police" movement, coupled with vilification, has decimated recruitment and retention.
  • Early retirement numbers skyrocketed during social unrest and the pandemic, never recovering.
  • Police departments, facing shortages, have lowered standards, leading to incidents like Memphis hiring individuals with criminal backgrounds who later committed homicide.
  • Garrett Langley proposes a "Teach for America for law enforcement" model: student debt relief for two to four years of community service as patrol officers or crime analysts.
  • Ben Horowitz highlights the success of initiatives like Cybertrucks in Las Vegas, which, despite criticism, significantly boosted recruitment by improving police image and appeal to younger generations.

"The only thing that's changed is the stigma attached to the job." — Garrett Langley

Technology as a Force Multiplier: Intelligence-Driven Policing

  • Garrett Langley details how advanced technology, particularly Flock Safety's AI-powered systems, transforms policing from subjective to objective, enhancing safety and efficiency. Las Vegas serves as a prime example of this integrated approach.
  • Modern policing requires a comprehensive technology stack: gunshot detection, drones, and cameras.
  • An AI orchestration layer processes abundant data from these sensors, providing actionable intelligence.
  • This shift makes both suspects and police safer, as officers approach known situations with precise information, reducing the likelihood of violent encounters.
  • Las Vegas, utilizing Flock Safety and drones, saw police shootings of suspects drop by 75% and boasts the country's highest murder clearance rate (over 90%), attributed to improved intelligence and community trust.

"Intelligence... basically makes everybody safer. It makes the suspect safer. It makes the police safer because now everybody understands the crime situation." — Ben Horowitz

Policy and Accountability: The Certainty of Punishment

  • Horowitz and Langley assert that consistent, certain punishment is the most effective deterrent, contrasting it with the failed experiment of decriminalization and arbitrary long sentences.
  • A national average 47% murder clearance rate means a 53% chance of getting away with murder, signaling a societal failure.
  • Decriminalizing offenses, as seen in San Francisco, creates a "crime career path," enabling organized gangs to exploit the system, not merely addressing poverty.
  • Criminals meticulously study law enforcement policies and technology, adapting their operations to exploit weaknesses.
  • Flock Safety allows cities to customize data retention (e.g., 7 days to 5 years) and data sharing policies, balancing privacy concerns with operational effectiveness.

"Certain punishment means no punishment. And that is the only way that you can actually achieve... reduction in crime is better intelligence." — Ben Horowitz

The "Defund the Police" Misconception and Economic Mobility

  • The speakers argue that "defund the police" policies disproportionately harm poor communities, creating a two-tiered justice system where safety becomes a privatized luxury.
  • Crime victims are overwhelmingly poor people (98%), making public policing a fundamental pillar of economic mobility.
  • Removing public funding for police terrorizes poor communities, undermining the bedrock of safety necessary for upward mobility.
  • The "Ferguson effect" demonstrated that reduced law enforcement leads to increased crime, directly impacting vulnerable populations.
  • Politicians advocating for defunding often rely on private security, highlighting a disconnect between policy and lived experience.

"The irony of defund the police: it's defund the police for poor people. It's privatized the police for rich people." — Ben Horowitz

Reforming the Justice System and Addressing Root Causes

  • Horowitz and Langley differentiate law enforcement from prison reform, advocating for targeted rehabilitation programs for non-violent offenders while maintaining accountability for serious crimes.
  • The US prison system's high recidivism rate (over 70%) indicates a failure in rehabilitation, often turning non-violent offenders into hardened criminals.
  • Programs like "Hope for Prisoners" in Vegas, which offer non-violent first-time offenders rehabilitation and job placement instead of prosecution, achieve near-zero recidivism.
  • Speeding up the judicial system, potentially with technology, prevents individuals from languishing in jails, where they often become more entrenched in criminal behavior.
  • While social work is valuable, it cannot replace crime enforcement; both are necessary components of a safe society.

"There's evil in the world... but there are some interesting activities particularly around nonviolent either juvenile or young adults where putting them in prison is the worst thing to do." — Garrett Langley

The Future of Policing: Precision and Community Engagement

  • The vision for future policing involves integrated intelligence and precision, enabling safer, more effective interventions and fostering stronger community relationships.
  • A real-time crime center, leveraging drones and AI, can identify and apprehend suspects with minimal risk, as demonstrated by a case where a mentally unwell shooter was apprehended without incident.
  • This precision reduces the need for militarized police responses, allowing officers to spend more time on community engagement rather than paperwork or dangerous reactive situations.
  • Flock Safety's technology has directly contributed to the return of over 450 missing children in a single year, showcasing its immediate, tangible benefits for public safety.
  • Public-private partnerships, like those in Vegas and San Francisco, are crucial for funding technological upgrades that cities struggle to afford through traditional budgets.

"When I look at this police department, they've got all their data integrated. They have all their sensors integrated, it's just happening." — Garrett Langley

Investor & Researcher Alpha

  • Capital Movement: Expect increased private and corporate investment into public safety technology and infrastructure, particularly in cities where government budgets are constrained. This creates opportunities for companies like Flock Safety and related AI/sensor developers.
  • New Bottleneck: The primary bottleneck shifts from data scarcity to the orchestration and analysis of abundant sensor data. AI-powered real-time crime centers become critical infrastructure, demanding advanced machine learning and data integration solutions.
  • Obsolete Research Direction: Purely sociological approaches to crime reduction that ignore the role of effective law enforcement and technological deterrence are increasingly challenged. Research must integrate the impact of intelligence-driven policing on crime rates and community trust.

Strategic Conclusion

Eliminating crime requires a multi-faceted strategy: rebuilding police status, deploying intelligence-driven technology, ensuring certain punishment, and fostering public-private partnerships. The next step for cities is to embrace integrated AI and sensor networks to create safer, more precise, and ultimately more just communities.

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